new graphic card prices

[freakdaddy64]

Are the founder editions better than the other ones

 

[KeyboardDemon]

Usually Founders Edition or FE cards are the reference design with the standard cooling and all components running at stock settings.

With this generation of nVidia cards the FE has gone for a non-standard design so it is not the usual reference model that people expect.

The board partners are given enough freedom by nVidia to adjust power draw, GPU, and RAM clocks as well to come up with their own cooling solutions.

From what I've seen of the reviews most of the cards tested have performed at similar levels to the FE with some differences in cooling efficiency nothing really pulled away from the rest.

OC3D did a 3-way review featuring the Asus, Gigabyte, and MSi 3-fan designs and they favoured the Gigabyte.

I would say that just like the 20xx series cards there doesn't seem to be a massive spread between FE and partner cards. My 2070S is moderately overclocked for instance, some 20xx models push that overclock a further 90-100mhz or by an extra 4-5% but that is not returning an extra 4-5% gain in performance past the oc on my card which is why I didn't spend the extra 20% to move to a 'faster' card.

There are bigger differences between the FE and board partners with the 20xx cards though than there appears to be between the new FE cards and partner cards.

It's still early days and reviewers have not had time to start pushing the cards yet so we don't really know they are capable of.

Reviewers do seem to like the new FE cards, the cooling works well for the GPU and helps provide airflow into the case where it was tested in a case and on an open bench.

As, I said before, it's early days and reviewers will need time to get to know the cards better before we can really say.

Given the current stock issues I think it is likely the partner with the best distribution network will get more sales than the partner with the best product.

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[freakdaddy64]

after reading and posting in the evga forums im 90 percent sure im getting the 3080 when the new year gets here and they are more plentiful and im giving amd the other 10 percent to show me something to change my mind.

 

[KeyboardDemon]

That sounds like a plan.

That's very similar to the way I'm approaching things, though I might not be ready by New Year and I'm 50/50 when it comes to brand right now.

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Actually given the number of reports about the widespread issues with the RTX 3080 crashing in game, I think I might update my 50/50 and say I am more like 20/80 in AMD's favour.

 

[freakdaddy64]

Yeah I think it's a good idea till early in the new year see how all the reviews and all the numbers are looking with the 3080 and the AMD

 

[KeyboardDemon]

I've just watched a video by Jayz2cents where he talks about what's going wrong with the RTX3080 cards, it's all down to the power delivery and electrical noise when the cards exceed certain click speeds.

Some brands have done a better job of 'cleaning' or filtering the power by using more expensive capacitors, like Asus and other brands have just stuck with the reference requirements, like EVGA.

]View: https://youtu.be/x6bUUEEe-X8[/media]

Hopefully, people that wait will get a chance to buy second revision cards from their chosen brands, but definitely wait, unless you're intending to buy Asus.

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[freakdaddy64]

nvidia 3070 and theres suppose to be a 3070ti

Nvidia GeForce RTX 3070 Founders Edition Review: Taking on Turing's Best at $499

Fast and efficient, the RTX 3070 basically matches the previous gen 2080 Ti at less than half the cost.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[Carlos]

nvidia 3070 and theres suppose to be a 3070ti

Nvidia GeForce RTX 3070 Founders Edition Review: Taking on Turing's Best at $499

Fast and efficient, the RTX 3070 basically matches the previous gen 2080 Ti at less than half the cost.

www.tomshardware.com

What he's saying is, wait a little longer. Most "series" of cards, from what I understand, goes like backward compatibility. So, if 3090 is causing widespread issues at the moment, then 3070/3070ti will have the same issues.

 

[KeyboardDemon]

What he's saying is, wait a little longer. Most "series" of cards, from what I understand, goes like backward compatibility. So, if 3090 is causing widespread issues at the moment, then 3070/3070ti will have the same issues.

That's right, but just to be clear the issue is not with the cards it is with how the board partners have implemented the power management circuits and at the moment the issues are exclusively on some of the RTX 3080 cards.

I don't think it will filter down to the lower models, but I also don't think it would be worth buying an RTX 3070 as these cards only use GDDR6 and not GDDR6x so you only get half the RAM speed that the RTX 3080 can get.

The cards use capacitors to clean the power supply, these capacitors on the FE cards are arranged in a 3 by 2 grid at the underside of the card, directly under the GPU chip. Each row on the FE cards has a single large cap, an array of 6 smaller high quality caps arranged in 2 columns of 3 rows and then a final single, cheaper cap that's identical to the first.

The cards with the issues are using only 1 set of the expensive caps or none at all.

What this means is that the cards are capable of reaching the boost speeds according to nVidia's reference specifications but the board partners have designed then to boost higher.

The higher the clock speeds a card runs at the greater the power draw that is required.

What is happening with the cards that have used the cheaper cap arrangements is that the cheaper caps can't filter the power supply as well at the higher frequencies as the more expensive caps can. This is what leads to artifacts, crashing to desktop and even blue screens, it is essentially electrical noise that's corrupting data with cheaper caps as these can't filter that out like the more expensive caps. Think of cheap audio equipment that's turned on with no audio playing, you hear a mains hum.

The Asus TUF model came out as a clear winner, they have 36 of the expensive caps and their design exceeds the nVidia reference design.

So if you must buy now, this is the card to get, it's also the cheapest at the moment.

The problem that all brands are facing are not just the caps but also supply chain issues, they can't get the components they need to make the cards and pass them on to the distribution networks that sell them to stores.

Now it is possible that other brands have used the high quality caps like Asus has, but Asus are the only cards that I know of that meet these standards as well as they do.

So whether you like it or not, you will have to wait, probably till after New Year's.

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[Carlos]

That's right, but just to be clear the issue is not with the cards it is with how the board partners have implemented the power management circuits and at the moment the issues are exclusively on some of the RTX 3080 cards.

I don't think it will filter down to the lower models, but I also don't think it would be worth buying an RTX 3070 as these cards only use GDDR6 and not GDDR6x so you only get half the RAM speed that the RTX 3080 can get.

The cards use capacitors to clean the power supply, these capacitors on the FE cards are arranged in a 3 by 2 grid at the underside of the card, directly under the GPU chip. Each row on the FE cards has a single large cap, an array of 6 smaller high quality caps arranged in 2 columns of 3 rows and then a final single, cheaper cap that's identical to the first.

The cards with the issues are using only 1 set of the expensive caps or none at all.

What this means is that the cards are capable of reaching the boost speeds according to nVidia's reference specifications but the board partners have designed then to boost higher.

The higher the clock speeds a card runs at the greater the power draw that is required.

What is happening with the cards that have used the cheaper cap arrangements is that the cheaper caps can't filter the power supply as well at the higher frequencies as the more expensive caps can. This is what leads to artifacts, crashing to desktop and even blue screens, it is essentially electrical noise that's corrupting data with cheaper caps as these can't filter that out like the more expensive caps. Think of cheap audio equipment that's turned on with no audio playing, you hear a mains hum.

The Asus TUF model came out as a clear winner, they have 36 of the expensive caps and their design exceeds the nVidia reference design.

So if you must buy now, this is the card to get, it's also the cheapest at the moment.

The problem that all brands are facing are not just the caps but also supply chain issues, they can't get the components they need to make the cards and pass them on to the distribution networks that sell them to stores.

Now it is possible that other brands have used the high quality caps like Asus has, but Asus are the only cards that I know of that meet these standards as well as they do.

So whether you like it or not, you will have to wait, probably till after New Year's.

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Well, here's the thing, 3080/90 just came out, but a lot of people are complaining about the cards. Already. Another unrelated issue is, if you are a Newegg user, you're going to find this...

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U9yr5i0Gj9U

 

[freakdaddy64]

i see

 

[KeyboardDemon]

There is more to this than I had thought, further investigation has led some people to come to a new conclusion. The video is over an hour long so I'll watch it later and cone back here and post my analysis of what they said. At the moment, all I can say is that there is evidence to suggest that the capacitor theory is wrong.

The guy in the 1hr+ video did some live testing on a stream and concluded that it looked like a combination of voltage issues when the clock speed exceeded a certain limit, but that sounded a lot like the capacitors not filtering the power but worded differently. He said he was going to publish a summary and conclusion video in a day or 2 so we will know more then.

 

[freakdaddy64]

all my brakes are on till amd comes out and i can see reviews on all specs and how performance is going then ill make my decision.

 

[KeyboardDemon]

I still think while it would be nice to upgrade, right now it simply isn't worth it, I think it would be worth waiting until next summer before I look at an upgrade.

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[freakdaddy64]

atleast im hoping i can hold out hehe

you know what im looking for,my goal is to find a graphics card that allows me to have great fps and using higher to ultra settings, getting everything out of the card that it offers and is made to do. so if im getting an avg of 160 fps in cod with low settings i want 160 fps with high settings. period. and i wont stop till i get it lmao.

 

[KeyboardDemon]

Yeah, it's easy for me to say hold off when I can already hit a great gaming experience, high quality settings, high frame rates and 1440p.

I do understand that you're not only running at lower settings but also gaming at 1080p. Even if you started playing at 1440p and you dropped your FPS to between 70-80 on high quality settings you're still getting an excellent gaming experience.

Try it and see how that works out for you.

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[KeyboardDemon]

Sorry @freakdaddy64, I just checked some of your recent videos and they were recorded at 1440p not 1080p, even then you should have no issues running at high quality settings and still getting a good frame rate, your GPU is easily up to it.

 

[freakdaddy64]

ill record some video tonight at 1080p and 1440p with higher settings and render resolution at 100 aand see how it goes.

ok a guy in evga forums told to try these settings and they working pretty good for me
Keep your render resolution at 100, adjust the native resolution to 1920x1080 or keep it at 2560x1440.

V-Sync: Enabled
Texture Resolution: Normal
Texture Filter Anisotropic: Normal
Particle Quality: Normal
Streaming Quality: Low
Shadow Map Resolution: Normal
Cache Spot Shadows: Disabled
Cache Sun Shadows: Disabled
Particle Lighting: Normal
DirectX Raytracing: Disabled
Ambien Occlusion: Disabled
Anti-Aliasing: SMAA T2X
Weapon Blur: Disabled
Motion Blur: Disabled

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmNQ9lVsnog&t=99s

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LNzbjJXHPw&t=62s

 

[KeyboardDemon]

ok a guy in evga forums told to try these settings and they working pretty good for me
Keep your render resolution at 100, adjust the native resolution to 1920x1080 or keep it at 2560x1440.

V-Sync: Enabled
Texture Resolution: Normal
Texture Filter Anisotropic: Normal
Particle Quality: Normal
Streaming Quality: Low
Shadow Map Resolution: Normal
Cache Spot Shadows: Disabled
Cache Sun Shadows: Disabled
Particle Lighting: Normal
DirectX Raytracing: Disabled
Ambien Occlusion: Disabled
Anti-Aliasing: SMAA T2X
Weapon Blur: Disabled
Motion Blur: Disabled

I tried these settings at 1440p, they look good.

I have been getting some really annoying random changes to my ingame settings recently, the last 1 set my render resolution to 200% at 1440 so my PC was chugging along at about 15-32fps because my PC can't do 2880x5120 very easily, that's a higher resolution than 4k. I've also been getting a lot of 720p in Windowed mode, intead of fullscreen and for some reason my main menu looks like it was rendered by an 8-bit PC and the intro video for season 6 looked like pooh.

There is a new nVidia driver out, I am going to do a DDU system clean before I install that today, I wonder if nVidia are trying to nerf my PC to make me buy a new 3000 series RTX card.

Take a look at this screenshot to see what I mean about the 8-bit rendering, look at the background, has it always been like that?

 

[freakdaddy64]

Oh just pull the trigger and get the 30 90